Discussion:
ANN: WinEdt 5.6
WinEdt Team
2008-04-30 17:27:33 UTC
Permalink
Beta version of WinEdt 5.6 is now available for testing.

Read the instructions carefully and proceed accordingly. You
should also read the What's New section for description of all
the changes, bug fixes, etc...

This version may not be for everyone: Macros in Exec folder
have been rewritten and the Accessories Menu for MiKTeX and TeX
Live has been changed to call the new (common) macros that can
execute console applications in WinEdt's Console. Restoring the
old macros in Exec folder or the old Accessories Menu will not
(can not!) work properly with the new Execution Modes...

Documentation is yet to be updated: reading the What's New
file is the only way to get familiar with the new
functionality.

Have fun.

Best regards,

alex
Daniele Giorgio Degiorgi
2008-04-30 18:50:54 UTC
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Hi,

I have the following problem:

replacing the whole content of a file with a much shorter one (via ctrl+A
followed by ctrl+V), when the last page of the original document was
displayed, as result I only see the last line of the pasted text and the
rest of the window empty.
On my opinion, at this point the last page of the pasted text should be
displayed.

Is this due to some settings or this feature is not planned?

Thanks for any hint,

Daniele
WinEdt Team
2008-05-09 22:27:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Daniele Giorgio Degiorgi
replacing the whole content of a file with a much shorter one (via ctrl+A
followed by ctrl+V), when the last page of the original document was
displayed, as result I only see the last line of the pasted text and the
rest of the window empty.
On my opinion, at this point the last page of the pasted text should be
displayed.
Is this due to some settings or this feature is not planned?
WinEdt avoids resizing Vertical Scrolling unless absolutely
necessary because doing so results in flickering and can be
confusing as the text jumps on the screen. However, in this
(and similar cases) the result is indeed a bit odd and it would
much more natural if the last line was at the bottom of the
screen rather than on the top.

This has now been fixed for the next version. It's not really a
problem (more an oddity)...

Also, I've spent the afternoon introducing a few filters that
prevent unwanted activation of active strings with wildcards.
This, too, will be addressed in the next version. Patience:
more time consuming and problematic work on the new console is
still pending...

Best regards,

alex
Benatzky, Joachim
2008-05-10 12:15:39 UTC
Permalink
Hi Alex,

Thanks for the new release that I like!

But I'm puzzled about wrapping: It seems to me that the wrapping
behaviour of commented lines has changed in WinEdt 5.6 beta1. In WinEdt
5.5 commented (%; right mouse click --> 'Insert Commment') lines were
also wrapped but now they are not. I think that I use the same settings
(soft wrapping / comments enabled) as before and normal text is wrapped.

Cheers,

Joachim.
WinEdt Team
2008-05-10 21:07:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Benatzky, Joachim
Thanks for the new release that I like!
But I'm puzzled about wrapping: It seems to me that the
wrapping behaviour of commented lines has changed in WinEdt 5.6
beta1. In WinEdt 5.5 commented (%; right mouse click -->
'Insert Commment') lines were also wrapped but now they are
not. I think that I use the same settings (soft wrapping /
comments enabled) as before and normal text is wrapped.
Options -> Advanced -> Environments

Change

WRAP_SOFT_COMMENTS=0 // Do not Wrap Comments in Soft Mode!

to

WRAP_SOFT_COMMENTS=1 // Wrap Comments in Soft Mode!

and reload the modified from from the same menu (or restart
WinEdt).

Best regards,

alex
Jonathan Ostroff
2008-05-12 19:31:17 UTC
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I am using the Texlive 2007 (have uninstalled miktex). When I generate DVI I
now get a program called DVIOUT.

Is there a way to get reverse search from the dvi output back to the latex
files in winedt?

Thanks

Jonathan
Hector C
2008-05-12 22:18:04 UTC
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Post by Jonathan Ostroff
Is there a way to get reverse search from the dvi output back to the latex
files in winedt?
src=<`WinEdt DDEServer [Open('%s');SelPar(%d,8);]`c:\Program
Files\WinEdt\WinEdt.exe^s"[Open(|%s|);SelPar(%d,8);]"

I am not sure whether the above command is redundant (DDEServer and
command line), but it works for me, just be sure that the registry (see
below) and the parameter file don't conflict.

Cheers,

Hector C.

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\SHIMA\DVIOUT\Settings]
"src"="<`WinEdt DDEServer [Open('%s');SelPar(%d,8);]`c:\\Program
Files\\WinEdt\\WinEdt.exe^s\"[Open(|%s|);SelPar(%d,8);]\""
Jonathan Ostroff
2008-05-13 01:21:27 UTC
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Thanks for this information. Where do I go to insert these instructions.

Is it Options --> Execution Modes?

Thanks

Jonathan
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 6:18 PM
Subject: [WinEdt] Re: Winedt 5.6/TexLive2007/dviout
Post by Jonathan Ostroff
Is there a way to get reverse search from the dvi output back to the
latex
Post by Jonathan Ostroff
files in winedt?
src=<`WinEdt DDEServer [Open('%s');SelPar(%d,8);]`c:\Program
Files\WinEdt\WinEdt.exe^s"[Open(|%s|);SelPar(%d,8);]"
I am not sure whether the above command is redundant (DDEServer and
command line), but it works for me, just be sure that the registry (see
below) and the parameter file don't conflict.
Cheers,
Hector C.
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\SHIMA\DVIOUT\Settings]
"src"="<`WinEdt DDEServer [Open('%s');SelPar(%d,8);]`c:\\Program
Files\\WinEdt\\WinEdt.exe^s\"[Open(|%s|);SelPar(%d,8);]\""
Hector C
2008-05-14 19:39:34 UTC
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Post by Jonathan Ostroff
Thanks for this information. Where do I go to insert these instructions.
Is it Options --> Execution Modes?
In dviout: options->Setup Parameters->Common->src type
<`WinEdt DDEServer [Open('%s');SelPar(%d,8);]`c:\Program
Files\WinEdt\WinEdt.exe^s"[Open(|%s|);SelPar(%d,8);]"

or include
src=<`WinEdt DDEServer [Open('%s');SelPar(%d,8);]`c:\Program
Files\WinEdt\WinEdt.exe^s"[Open(|%s|);SelPar(%d,8);]"

in the configuration file. Make sure that the registry doesn't have a
different command. For more information, read

http://magic.aladdin.cs.cmu.edu/2007/03/06/switching-from-yap-to-dviout/

Cheers,

Hector C.
Jonathan Ostroff
2008-05-14 20:01:49 UTC
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Dear Hector:

Thanks for the help. It is now working.

Jonathan
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:40 PM
Subject: [WinEdt] Re: Winedt 5.6/TexLive2007/dviout
Post by Jonathan Ostroff
Thanks for this information. Where do I go to insert these
instructions.
Post by Jonathan Ostroff
Is it Options --> Execution Modes?
In dviout: options->Setup Parameters->Common->src type
<`WinEdt DDEServer [Open('%s');SelPar(%d,8);]`c:\Program
Files\WinEdt\WinEdt.exe^s"[Open(|%s|);SelPar(%d,8);]"
or include
src=<`WinEdt DDEServer [Open('%s');SelPar(%d,8);]`c:\Program
Files\WinEdt\WinEdt.exe^s"[Open(|%s|);SelPar(%d,8);]"
in the configuration file. Make sure that the registry doesn't have a
different command. For more information, read
http://magic.aladdin.cs.cmu.edu/2007/03/06/switching-from-yap-to-
dviout/
Cheers,
Hector C.
Benatzky, Joachim
2008-05-18 21:21:40 UTC
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Hi Alex,

Thanks you for your help!

Didn't get it immediatelty, but now it works as I want!

Cheers,

Joachim.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Gesendet: Samstag, 10. Mai 2008 23:07
Betreff: Re: [WinEdt] Wrapping commented lines
Post by Benatzky, Joachim
Thanks for the new release that I like!
But I'm puzzled about wrapping: It seems to me that the wrapping
behaviour of commented lines has changed in WinEdt 5.6 beta1. In
WinEdt 5.5 commented (%; right mouse click --> 'Insert Commment')
lines were also wrapped but now they are not. I think that
I use the
Post by Benatzky, Joachim
same settings (soft wrapping / comments enabled) as before
and normal
Post by Benatzky, Joachim
text is wrapped.
Options -> Advanced -> Environments
Change
WRAP_SOFT_COMMENTS=0 // Do not Wrap Comments in Soft Mode!
to
WRAP_SOFT_COMMENTS=1 // Wrap Comments in Soft Mode!
and reload the modified from from the same menu (or restart WinEdt).
Best regards,
alex
Cao, Xiaochun
2008-05-13 13:42:03 UTC
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-----Original Message-----
From: WinEdt Team [mailto:***@winedt.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 6:28 PM
To: winedt+***@wsg.net
Subject: Re: [WinEdt] Display problem toward end of document
Post by Daniele Giorgio Degiorgi
replacing the whole content of a file with a much shorter one (via
ctrl+A followed by ctrl+V), when the last page of the original
document was displayed, as result I only see the last line of the
pasted text and the rest of the window empty.
On my opinion, at this point the last page of the pasted text should
be displayed.
Is this due to some settings or this feature is not planned?
WinEdt avoids resizing Vertical Scrolling unless absolutely necessary
because doing so results in flickering and can be confusing as the text
jumps on the screen. However, in this (and similar cases) the result is
indeed a bit odd and it would much more natural if the last line was at
the bottom of the screen rather than on the top.

This has now been fixed for the next version. It's not really a problem
(more an oddity)...

Also, I've spent the afternoon introducing a few filters that prevent
unwanted activation of active strings with wildcards.
This, too, will be addressed in the next version. Patience:
more time consuming and problematic work on the new console is still
pending...

Best regards,

alex
WinEdt Team
2008-05-13 14:12:15 UTC
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Yes we are all troubled and put-out by unwanted mails.

It majorly helps if one would read (and remember) the guidelines, which
include:

To unsubscribe from the WinEdt Mailing List, send an empty mail to:
<winedt+list-***@wsg.net> from the account that you are
subscribed with.

DO NOT send a mail to the list! This will have no effect apart from
annoying the subscribers.

regards
Adriana


----- Original Message -----
From: "Cao, Xiaochun" <***@ObjectVideo.com>
To: <winedt+***@wsg.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:42 AM
Subject: [WinEdt] Unsubscribe request




-----Original Message-----
From: WinEdt Team [mailto:***@winedt.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 6:28 PM
To: winedt+***@wsg.net
Subject: Re: [WinEdt] Display problem toward end of document
Post by Daniele Giorgio Degiorgi
replacing the whole content of a file with a much shorter one (via
ctrl+A followed by ctrl+V), when the last page of the original
document was displayed, as result I only see the last line of the
pasted text and the rest of the window empty.
On my opinion, at this point the last page of the pasted text should
be displayed.
Is this due to some settings or this feature is not planned?
WinEdt avoids resizing Vertical Scrolling unless absolutely necessary
because doing so results in flickering and can be confusing as the text
jumps on the screen. However, in this (and similar cases) the result is
indeed a bit odd and it would much more natural if the last line was at
the bottom of the screen rather than on the top.

This has now been fixed for the next version. It's not really a problem
(more an oddity)...

Also, I've spent the afternoon introducing a few filters that prevent
unwanted activation of active strings with wildcards.
This, too, will be addressed in the next version. Patience:
more time consuming and problematic work on the new console is still
pending...

Best regards,

alex
Olli J. Marttila
2008-05-01 19:10:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by WinEdt Team
Beta version of WinEdt 5.6 is now available for testing.
Read the instructions carefully and proceed accordingly. You
should also read the What's New section for description of all
the changes, bug fixes, etc...
This version may not be for everyone: Macros in Exec folder
have been rewritten and the Accessories Menu for MiKTeX and TeX
Live has been changed to call the new (common) macros that can
execute console applications in WinEdt's Console. Restoring the
old macros in Exec folder or the old Accessories Menu will not
(can not!) work properly with the new Execution Modes...
Documentation is yet to be updated: reading the What's New
file is the only way to get familiar with the new
functionality.
Have fun.
Best regards,
alex
Two comments:

1) After installing WinEdt56 beta1 the insert key does not
change between Insert/Overstrike anymore.
2) Texify does not produce a pdf file; I have now go path
texify > dvi > dvi2pdf - or is this a MiKTeX error (MiKTeX
updated April 30).

Both bugs? absent when changing back to WinEdt55.

Olli J. Marttila
David Huffer
2008-05-01 19:17:15 UTC
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Post by Olli J. Marttila
1) After installing WinEdt56 beta1 the insert key does not
change between Insert/Overstrike anymore.
I cant confirm this at least when switching modes from the status line.
Post by Olli J. Marttila
2) Texify does not produce a pdf file; I have now go path
texify > dvi > dvi2pdf - or is this a MiKTeX error (MiKTeX
updated April 30).
--
David
WinEdt Team
2008-05-01 22:25:32 UTC
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Post by David Huffer
Post by Olli J. Marttila
1) After installing WinEdt56 beta1 the insert key does not
change between Insert/Overstrike anymore.
I cant confirm this at least when switching modes from the
status line.
Options -> Configuration Wizard | Options: You can choose what
you want the Insert key to do. I don't like switching Insert/
Overwrite because working on different laptops for testing
purposes I often accidentally press the Insert Key on a
keyboard that is not familiar to me (no two are the same). My
personal preference accidentally ended up in the default
settings and this will be corrected: it is just a matter of
choosing an option in the Wizard...

And of course, nothing like this is hard coded: Shortcuts can
be customized though the Menu Setup Dialog to do anything one's
heart might desire:-)
Post by David Huffer
2) Texify does not produce a pdf file; I have now go path
texify > dvi > dvi2pdf - or is this a MiKTeX error (MiKTeX
updated April 30).
Nothing has changed here except for the layout and contents of
the default toolbar (as described in What's New). By default
TeXify calls texify.exe (without --pdf switch) and as such it
usually produces dvi file (just like before). PDFTeXify
produces pdf and by default the "universal" Compile command
(the first TeX Button in the toolbar) is also configured to
produce pdf.

Read What's New? and check the contents of the Accessories
Menu, the Execution Modes Dialog (where many things can be
reconfigured). Also check the meaning of the toolbar buttons
(the hint will be displayed if you hover the mouse over a
button).

By default the toolbar contains buttons to produce pdf, compile
selected text into pdf, texify or latex to dvi (and manually
take it from there if that's desirable).

Previously toolbar contained more buttons for Compile Selected,
TeX, PDFTeX, LaTeX, PDFLaTeX, TeXify, PDFTeXify, etc... I was
facing the addition of Xe[La]TeX (and possibly more buttons)
and that's why the Compile macro and interface has been
introduced. What it does depends on what you specify in the
Execution Modes but by default it does what most users probably
want: PDFTeXify into pdf document and open it in Adobe.
Accessories menu contains interface and shortcuts to more
compilers (including XeTeX). As for toolbar: it can be modified
to look exactly as before if so desired.

No bugs here:-) Carefully reading What's new at this stage is
an imperative to avoid confusion like this.

Best regards,

alex
Olli J. Marttila
2008-05-02 21:20:38 UTC
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Post by WinEdt Team
Post by David Huffer
Post by Olli J. Marttila
1) After installing WinEdt56 beta1 the insert key does not
change between Insert/Overstrike anymore.
I cant confirm this at least when switching modes from the
status line.
Options -> Configuration Wizard | Options: You can choose what
you want the Insert key to do. I don't like switching Insert/
Overwrite because working on different laptops for testing
purposes I often accidentally press the Insert Key on a
keyboard that is not familiar to me (no two are the same). My
personal preference accidentally ended up in the default
settings and this will be corrected: it is just a matter of
choosing an option in the Wizard...
And of course, nothing like this is hard coded: Shortcuts can
be customized though the Menu Setup Dialog to do anything one's
heart might desire:-)
Post by David Huffer
2) Texify does not produce a pdf file; I have now go path
texify > dvi > dvi2pdf - or is this a MiKTeX error (MiKTeX
updated April 30).
Nothing has changed here except for the layout and contents of
the default toolbar (as described in What's New). By default
TeXify calls texify.exe (without --pdf switch) and as such it
usually produces dvi file (just like before). PDFTeXify
produces pdf and by default the "universal" Compile command
(the first TeX Button in the toolbar) is also configured to
produce pdf.
Read What's New? and check the contents of the Accessories
Menu, the Execution Modes Dialog (where many things can be
reconfigured). Also check the meaning of the toolbar buttons
(the hint will be displayed if you hover the mouse over a
button).
By default the toolbar contains buttons to produce pdf, compile
selected text into pdf, texify or latex to dvi (and manually
take it from there if that's desirable).
Previously toolbar contained more buttons for Compile Selected,
TeX, PDFTeX, LaTeX, PDFLaTeX, TeXify, PDFTeXify, etc... I was
facing the addition of Xe[La]TeX (and possibly more buttons)
and that's why the Compile macro and interface has been
introduced. What it does depends on what you specify in the
Execution Modes but by default it does what most users probably
want: PDFTeXify into pdf document and open it in Adobe.
Accessories menu contains interface and shortcuts to more
compilers (including XeTeX). As for toolbar: it can be modified
to look exactly as before if so desired.
No bugs here:-) Carefully reading What's new at this stage is
an imperative to avoid confusion like this.
Best regards,
alex
Thank you, Alex - and the other ones who explained me what I
missed when reading 'What's New' carelessly.

Olli J. Marttila
Evan Cooch
2008-05-01 19:29:47 UTC
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2) Texify does not produce a pdf file; I have now go path texify > dvi
dvi2pdf - or is this a MiKTeX error (MiKTeX updated April 30).
It never did by default - it generated a DVI, and spawned yap.
Olli J. Marttila
2008-05-01 19:39:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by WinEdt Team
Beta version of WinEdt 5.6 is now available for testing.
Read the instructions carefully and proceed accordingly. You
should also read the What's New section for description of all
the changes, bug fixes, etc...
This version may not be for everyone: Macros in Exec folder
have been rewritten and the Accessories Menu for MiKTeX and TeX
Live has been changed to call the new (common) macros that can
execute console applications in WinEdt's Console. Restoring the
old macros in Exec folder or the old Accessories Menu will not
(can not!) work properly with the new Execution Modes...
Documentation is yet to be updated: reading the What's New
file is the only way to get familiar with the new
functionality.
Have fun.
Best regards,
alex
1) After installing WinEdt56 beta1 the insert key does not change
between Insert/Overstrike anymore.
2) Texify does not produce a pdf file; I have now go path texify > dvi >
dvi2pdf - or is this a MiKTeX error (MiKTeX updated April 30).
Both bugs? absent when changing back to WinEdt55.
Olli J. Marttila
Thanks David; I have used to change Insert/Overstrike with
the Insert key. Your advice corrected the problem.

As for the second "bug": I have to draw my claim back. In
fact, I still had the previous version of MiKTeX installed
when testing WinEdt56. I updated MiKTeX before compiling my
file under WinEdt55. I am sorry for the mess I have created.
Everything is OK. So sorry.

Olli J. Marttila
Ferdinand Fichtner
2008-05-02 11:44:40 UTC
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Thanks, Alex!
Post by WinEdt Team
Beta version of WinEdt 5.6 is now available for testing.
One little thing I noticed: If I use my mouse's scroll wheel in the new
Winedt console, it does not scroll the displayed output but instead
strangely moves the text around: If scrolling the wheel upwards, the
text is slowly shifted upwards (instead of line-by-line downwards), the
resulting gap at the lower edge of the console being filled with white
space.

This is Winedt 5.6 running on Windows XP (SP3) with a simple USB
Logitech mouse using Microsoft's standard mouse driver.

If you need more information about the problem, I a glad to help.

Regards! Ferdinand
David Huffer
2008-05-02 15:30:02 UTC
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...If I use my mouse's scroll wheel in the
new Winedt console, it does not scroll the
displayed output but instead strangely moves
the text around...
I notice the same behavior with logitech optical mouse.

--
David
WinEdt Team
2008-05-02 21:38:54 UTC
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Post by Ferdinand Fichtner
One little thing I noticed: If I use my mouse's scroll wheel in
the new Winedt console, it does not scroll the displayed output
but instead strangely moves the text around: If scrolling the
wheel upwards, the text is slowly shifted upwards (instead of
line-by-line downwards), the resulting gap at the lower edge of
the console being filled with white space.
This is Winedt 5.6 running on Windows XP (SP3) with a simple
USB Logitech mouse using Microsoft's standard mouse driver.
If you need more information about the problem, I a glad to
help.
I dusted off my old Logitech USB mouse and tried to scroll in the
console. You are right, the custom scroll wheel response does not
work properly. This has now been fixed for the next version (easy
once it is reproduced).

If you disable the option "Custom Wheel Response" in the
Preferences| Shell Dialog the problem with scrolling inside the
console will go away but you will likely lose the ability to
use the wheel in the edit window. Thus this is not really a
solution but just in case it would help if you can confirm...

Best regards,

alex
David Huffer
2008-05-02 21:32:22 UTC
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...If you disable the option "Custom Wheel
Response" in the Preferences| Shell Dialog
the problem with scrolling inside the
console will go away but you will likely
lose the ability to use the wheel in the
edit window. Thus this is not really a
solution but just in case it would help if
you can confirm...
Yes, disabling the custom wheel response does indeed allow
wheel-scrolling within the console.

Also, i just noticed that when focus is in the console and i
issue "ctrl-shift-L" that for some reason an itemized list
begins to iterate in the console. It start with a bullet which
is then replaced with a '1' then 'a' then 'A' and so on each
time i re-issue the keys. BTW, I have "ctrl-shift-L" bound to
&AccessoriesMine|&LaTeX, which of course i'm not using anymore.

--
David
WinEdt Team
2008-05-02 22:31:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by David Huffer
Yes, disabling the custom wheel response does indeed allow
wheel-scrolling within the console.
As I suspected. This will no longer be required in the next
version...
Post by David Huffer
Also, i just noticed that when focus is in the console and i
issue "ctrl-shift-L" that for some reason an itemized list
begins to iterate in the console. It start with a bullet which
is then replaced with a '1' then 'a' then 'A' and so on each
time i re-issue the keys. BTW, I have "ctrl-shift-L" bound to
&AccessoriesMine|&LaTeX, which of course i'm not using anymore.
When Console has focus all keyboard input is passed to the
Console and WinEdt's Menu Shortcuts don't work.

WinEdt does intercept ESC Key (which de-focuses the console) and
Ctrl+Shift+C (which hides it). As for the rest the default Windows
Shortcuts for Rich Edit Control apply. For example Ctrl+L and
Ctrl+R change bi-di settings (left to right or right to left).
Ctrl+Shift+L appears to insert items that would be used in List
but this is not done by WinEdt. Actually Windows WordPad (which
provides an interface to Rich Edit Control) responds to the
shortcut Ctrl+Shift+L exactly the same was as WinEdt's Console as
it should since WinEdt does not attempt to change this control's
behavior...

I see no point in suppressing Windows Shortcuts in the console
(note that moving with arrows or Page up/Down etc... is also
left to console rather than WinEdt). What you must know: when
the console is focused it captures the caret and all keyboard
focus. If you want to go back to WinEdt de-focus the console
(mouse or ESC Key) or hide it (mouse interface or
Ctrl+Shift+C).

Best regards,

alex
RS
2008-05-06 16:35:50 UTC
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Hi Alex,
WinEdt 5 [Build 20080429 (v. 5.6)] (Beta 1)
===========================================
Console
The Console is really nice! Some issues, though:

* It somewhat flickers (harmless, but makes it look a bit 'fragile'...)

* Is there no other way than to use Rich Edit Control? The console could
be enhanced quite a bit if the command prompt shortcuts like TAB for
file name completion or the Arrows for walking through the command
history or CTRL-C for cancel worked. Also, the oddities with CTRL-L and
other shortcuts wouldn't arise.

* I've tried to run a cygwin shell in the Console but the text is
somehow garbled (also connected to REC?). What would look like this in a
normal command window:
--------------------------------------------
***@SCHLCHT ~
$ pwd
/home/schlcht

***@SCHLCHT ~
$
--------------------------------------------
is turned into:
--------------------------------------------
#27]0;~#07
#27[***@SCHLCHT #27[33m~#27[0m
$ pwd
pwd
/home/schlcht
#27]0;~#07
#27[***@SCHLCHT #27[33m~#27[0m
$
#27]0;~#07
#27[***@SCHLCHT #27[33m~#27[0m
$
--------------------------------------------
in WinEdt's console (above, I've replaced '#27' and '#07' for the actual
control characters ASCII 27 and 07).

* Could `Copy to Clipboard' not be made to work while the application is
still running? Also, text can be selected, but the selection immediately
disappears again, so you cannot copy manually, either.

* 'Terminate Application' only terminates the application on the second
click.

* When switching back to WinEdt from another application, the focus is
always in the editing window, even it was in the console before switching.

* Something like 'more' would be very nice, ie., to only show one page
of text at a time, and wait for the user to press a key to show the next
bit.

In all, the Console is marvelous but I think there's room for improvement.
- WinEdt Macro engine was subject to substantial changes
Now that made me tremble but ...
The users should not notice any difference except for
improved macro execution speed and performance.
... I can confirm this up to now.
- Tree and Gather interface now allows some extended processing
and specifications in order to include more useful information
EXLINELIMIT=16
CAPTION="%?: %!?"
Could you elaborate a bit on how this miracle works (syntax-wise)?
- A few enhancements to MUI (including multiple selections in
list boxes as documented in Macro Manual).
Thanks, works fine.
===========================
Here's another feature that I've found in Word and would be nice to
have: when CTRL-clicking, the complete sentence is selected. Of course,
selecting a sentence can easily be done with a macro, so I guess my
feature request is to allow configuration of the CTRL-click (and SHIFT
and ALT, while we're at it...) event. Possible? Already available?


Best regards,
--
Robert
WinEdt Team
2008-05-09 17:04:15 UTC
Permalink
I am not particularly happy with using Edit or RichEdit control
for console I/O but these were the only two (almost)
ready-to-use controls in Delphi. I may have to rethink this
although I would be a bit reluctant doing it from scratch...
Post by RS
* It somewhat flickers (harmless, but makes it look a bit 'fragile'...)
Delphi controls are notorious for this kind of extra refreshing. I
will likely end up abandoning REC and replace it with a custom
one.
Post by RS
* Is there no other way than to use Rich Edit Control? The console could
be enhanced quite a bit if the command prompt shortcuts like
TAB for file name completion or the Arrows for walking through
the command history or CTRL-C for cancel worked. Also, the
oddities with CTRL-L and other shortcuts wouldn't arise.
I tried to generate CTRL_C_EVENT in response to Ctrl+C but it
does not work. There may be a way around with some effort. The
rest again means that a different control (with different
custom programmed responses) should be used or else a custom
event handler implementing alternative responses and
suppressing the unwanted ones should be implemented. This means
custom programming or finding a third party control that
already does that (I am not aware of any)...
Post by RS
* I've tried to run a cygwin shell in the Console but the text is
somehow garbled (also connected to REC?). What would look like
--------------------------------------------
$ pwd
/home/schlcht
$
--------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------
#27]0;~#07
$ pwd
pwd
/home/schlcht
#27]0;~#07
$
#27]0;~#07
$
in WinEdt's console (above, I've replaced '#27' and '#07' for
the actual control characters ASCII 27 and 07).
Ah: VT100 ESC sequences! It's been a long time since I have
last worked on a VT100-compatible terminal but the above code
suggests that cygwin requires VT100-compatible control since it
obviously sends ESC sequences to the terminal. REC is, of
course, not VT100 compatible (neither is any standard Windows
Control).

I am not using cygwin but I would suggest that you check if it
can be started with some switch to suppress echo or at least
suppress VT100 ESC sequences. For example, Windows Command
Prompt should be started with

cmd.exe /Q

to avoid double-echo in WinEdt's Console.

How does cygwin shell perform in standard Windows Console (or
does it start its own Window)?
Post by RS
* Could `Copy to Clipboard' not be made to work while the application is
still running? Also, text can be selected, but the selection
immediately disappears again, so you cannot copy manually,
either.
Something could be done about this I suppose. But it again
comes to the general suitability of REC for this purpose.
Post by RS
* 'Terminate Application' only terminates the application on the second
click.
This was a bug: fixed.
Post by RS
* When switching back to WinEdt from another application, the focus is
always in the editing window, even it was in the console before switching.
Something can be done about this. I'll check into it.
Post by RS
* Something like 'more' would be very nice, ie., to only show one page
of text at a time, and wait for the user to press a key to show
the next bit.
I will likely abandon REC and make a custom one. We can add
more fancy functionality to it later.

Actually, after a few days searching msdn for documentation I
did discover a few things. I can now generate CTRL_C and
CTRL_BREAK events but it is very complicated: WinEdt has to
temporarily attach to the "invisible" console, declare custom
ctrl event handlers (to prevent Windows from killing it as
well) then it can generate the event and free the console. To
make things worse, the kernel32 API function that can attach a
console is new and it is only available on XP and Vista. WinEdt
dynamically loads this function (if it is there). Thus WinEdt
will work on older Windows but CTRL+C (Break) in its console
will be ignored unless this function can be loaded.

I still have to decipher a few mysteries regarding sync input/
output using pipes and then I should be able to emulate
standard console behavior with or without (optional) echo... I
don't know about VT100 output (as used by cygwin), though:-)
Post by RS
In all, the Console is marvelous but I think there's room for
improvement.
I knew that I am in for a lot of trouble when I decided to try
a two way console. Alternative would be a readonly console
output and a 1-line simple edit control for input which you'll
find in most console-hosting GUI applications (often only one
way output is implemented).

Anyway, things can be changed and improved but it will take
some work and thus some time to do it right...
Post by RS
- WinEdt Macro engine was subject to substantial changes
Now that made me tremble but ...
The users should not notice any difference except for
improved macro execution speed and performance.
... I can confirm this up to now.
Good. It really had to be done as there was no more room for
any new macro functions and crashing during nested macros
execution was imminent -- I already knew how to reproduce it
and it was just a matter of time before you stumbled upon it,
too!
Post by RS
- Tree and Gather interface now allows some extended processing
and specifications in order to include more useful information
EXLINELIMIT=16
CAPTION="%?: %!?"
Could you elaborate a bit on how this miracle works
(syntax-wise)?
I'll explain when I start documenting it. It is really a
semi-hard-coded thing (suitable for bib files or data bases
using identical format) with a few options regarding which
fields to expand and in what order... Gather control at the
bottom looked a bit "empty" and it is definitely nice to have
expanded bib data there. I am not so sure for Tree or Popup...
Post by RS
===========================
Here's another feature that I've found in Word and would be
nice to have: when CTRL-clicking, the complete sentence is
selected. Of course, selecting a sentence can easily be done
with a macro, so I guess my feature request is to allow
configuration of the CTRL-click (and SHIFT and ALT, while we're
at it...) event. Possible? Already available?
I can introduce an event handler for qualified clicks. A macro
can check which keys are down and decide what to do. SetOK can
be used to tell WinEdt whether the event had been handled or a
default response is required... I'll do this as soon as the
console functionality is settled... It will take some planning
but advanced users may be able to take advantage of such
functionality and customize WinEdt beyond the defaults...

Best regards,

alex
RS
2008-05-14 00:34:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by WinEdt Team
I am not using cygwin but I would suggest that you check if it
can be started with some switch to suppress echo or at least
suppress VT100 ESC sequences. For example, Windows Command
Prompt should be started with
cmd.exe /Q
to avoid double-echo in WinEdt's Console.
How does cygwin shell perform in standard Windows Console (or
does it start its own Window)?
It uses a standard Windows console (maybe with its own driver?). In the
meantime, I found out that the escape sequences are supposed to set some
fancy colors, so by changing the prompt to something simple (">"), I
could at least improve the situation in that I don't get garbage on each
line anymore. Every input line is still doubled (didn't find a way to
avoid double-echo, if that's what it is), but that's something I can
live with.
Post by WinEdt Team
Post by RS
* Could `Copy to Clipboard' not be made to work while the application is
still running? Also, text can be selected, but the selection
immediately disappears again, so you cannot copy manually,
either.
...and pasting into the console (using the paste button) doesn't really
work, either: although the pasted text appears in the console, the
applications don't see it.

And, the context menu in the console doesn't correspond to the row of
buttons in the form window, unlike with the other special forms.
Post by WinEdt Team
I knew that I am in for a lot of trouble when I decided to try
a two way console. Alternative would be a readonly console
output and a 1-line simple edit control for input which you'll
find in most console-hosting GUI applications (often only one
way output is implemented).
Yes, that's what I thought it would become when you were first talking
about it, so I was quite surprised to realize that it was two way
console, which I think is a bold step forward.
Post by WinEdt Team
I can introduce an event handler for qualified clicks. A macro
can check which keys are down and decide what to do.
That would be great.


Regards,
--
Robert
WinEdt Team
2008-05-27 00:22:48 UTC
Permalink
Robert,
Post by WinEdt Team
I am not using cygwin but I would suggest that you check if it
can be started with some switch to suppress echo or at least
suppress VT100 ESC sequences. For example, Windows Command
Prompt should be started with
cmd.exe /Q
to avoid double-echo in WinEdt's Console.
How does cygwin shell perform in standard Windows Console (or
does it start its own Window)?
In the meantime, I found out that the escape sequences are
supposed to set some fancy colors, so by changing the prompt to
something simple (">"), I could at least improve the situation
in that I don't get garbage on each line anymore. Every input
line is still doubled (didn't find a way to avoid double-echo,
if that's what it is), but that's something I can live with.
In other words: out with the RichEdit control; in with a few K
lines of custom code to emulate more standard console behavior.

Done.

This should address most of the problems you experienced with
the console (refreshing, focus, arrows, queued input buffer,
pasting, and echo).

The following is now equivalent (after I/O has been
synchronized):

Macros.ExeCmdLine('RunConsole("cmd.exe /A /Q","%!P","Command Prompt
...",0,0,0)');

is equivalent to no echo

Macros.ExeCmdLine('RunConsole("cmd.exe /A","%!P","Command Prompt
...",0,0,1)');

The second method will probably suppress your repeated lines. I
am still working on a few minor options (eg. allowing pasting
multiple lines, and input buffer overflow). It should not be
long now...

Best regards,

alex
RS
2008-05-27 01:02:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by WinEdt Team
In other words: out with the RichEdit control; in with a few K
lines of custom code to emulate more standard console behavior.
Done.
:-) You're ace!
--
Robert
Gyorgy SZEIDL
2008-05-09 09:37:35 UTC
Permalink
to whom it may concern,

i have just installed winedt 5.6 beta 1. when installing it i
followed your instructions.

my pervious installation was put into the directories

c:\wined55

and

c:\Documents and Settings\Application Data\Gyorgy\Winedt

when installing the beta version:

1. i did not change the name of the directory

c:\wined55

2. i renamed the directory

c:\Documents and Settings\Application Data\Gyorgy\Winedt

to

c:\Documents and Settings\Application Data\Gyorgy\Winedt55.

3. i installed the beta version into the directories

c:\wined56

and

c:\Documents and Settings\Application Data\Gyorgy\Winedt

3. then i copied the content of the folder

c:\Documents and Settings\Application Data\Gyorgy\Winedt55\Config\Backup

into the directory

c:\Documents and Settings\Application Data\Gyorgy\Winedt\Config\Backup

and i also copied some other files from the directory

c:\wined55\...

to the directory

c:\winedt\...

(a dictionary and some bmp files).

i restarted winedt end restored my old settings

everything seemed to be ok. however when i wanted to texify one of my
projects
i got an error message:

missing texify.edt in the directory:

c:\Documents and Settings\Application Data\Gyorgy\Winedt\exec\miktex

what have i done wrong?

best regards
g. szeidl
--
--------------------------------------------------------------
Dr. habil. Gyorgy SZEIDL
Full Professor
Department of Mechanics
University of Miskolc
3515 Miskolc-Egyetmeváros
Hungary
E-mail: ***@uni-miskolc.hu
Phone (office): +36 46 565 111 ext. 18-92
http://www.mech.uni-miskolc.hu/staff/lecturers/G_Szeidl.html
--------------------------------------------------------------
WinEdt Team
2008-05-09 17:05:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
i have just installed winedt 5.6 beta 1. when installing it i
followed your instructions.
etc...
i restarted winedt end restored my old settings
everything seemed to be ok. however when i wanted to texify one of my
projects
c:\Documents and Settings\Application Data\Gyorgy\Winedt\exec\miktex
what have i done wrong?
You restored ALL (or shall I say too many!) of your old
settings. The new Accessories Menu has been changed and the old
items will not work. MiKTeX and TeX Live now both use the same
macros in Exec\TeX folder (this means half the work for me
maintaining two sets of macros). Even if you would manually
copy this missing macro file you would not be getting the new
functionality with console and improved execution modes...

Options -> Maintenance -> Default and restore at least the new
Accessories Menu (toolbar, too, may have to be manually
modified if you want to use the old one and some other menus
have been slightly modified as well). Re-loading Options ->
Configurations -> MiKTeX might fix the problem as well unless
you have copied old files in the new applications data
folder... Note that you can always compare Backup settings with
the Default ones to see where is a problem.

Best regards,

alex
Gyorgy SZEIDL
2008-05-11 07:34:30 UTC
Permalink
dear alex,

thank you for your recommendations.
i did as i had been recommended. now everything works
fine. thank you once again.
best regards

gyorgy
Post by WinEdt Team
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
i have just installed winedt 5.6 beta 1. when installing it i
followed your instructions.
etc...
i restarted winedt end restored my old settings
everything seemed to be ok. however when i wanted to texify one of my
projects
c:\Documents and Settings\Application Data\Gyorgy\Winedt\exec\miktex
what have i done wrong?
You restored ALL (or shall I say too many!) of your old
settings. The new Accessories Menu has been changed and the old
items will not work. MiKTeX and TeX Live now both use the same
macros in Exec\TeX folder (this means half the work for me
maintaining two sets of macros). Even if you would manually
copy this missing macro file you would not be getting the new
functionality with console and improved execution modes...
Options -> Maintenance -> Default and restore at least the new
Accessories Menu (toolbar, too, may have to be manually
modified if you want to use the old one and some other menus
have been slightly modified as well). Re-loading Options ->
Configurations -> MiKTeX might fix the problem as well unless
you have copied old files in the new applications data
folder... Note that you can always compare Backup settings with
the Default ones to see where is a problem.
Best regards,
alex
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Prof. Dr. habil György SZEIDL
Department of Mechanics
University of Miskolc
3515 Miskolc-Egyetemváros
Hungary
Phone: 36-46-565-111 ext. 18-92
URL: http://www.mech.uni-miskolc.hu/staff/lecturers/G_Szeidl.html
Gyorgy SZEIDL
2008-05-11 12:28:44 UTC
Permalink
dear alex and list members,

winedt 5.6 has changed a lot. some of the changes are however
negative ones.

1. when editing a book (each chapter is in a separate file) i use the dvi
search icon (direct search or dvi search) to jump from the latex file to
the
place i am interested in in my dvi file. this icon is not available
anymore in
the main window. it is offered to you in the menu accessories with the name
dvi search. if i want to reach it i have to click twice. it is much
simpler to
do that it in the traditional way, that is by using the icon that is
available in
the main menu in winedt 5.5. the lack of this icon in the main menu is a
serious
drawback for me. (i have been working on a textbook for a year and this
feature
helps me when making corrections.)

2. i have no idea how to make a pdf file from a traditional TeX file. in
version 5.5 there are some icons to make a pdf file from a TeX file.
this issue seems to be is unresolved since these icons are missing not
only in the main menu but from the items of the menu accessories as
well. (i have a number of documents typeset in TeX.)

best regards
g. szeidl
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
dear alex,
thank you for your recommendations.
i did as i had been recommended. now everything works
fine. thank you once again.
best regards
gyorgy
Post by WinEdt Team
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
i have just installed winedt 5.6 beta 1. when installing it i
followed your instructions.
etc...
i restarted winedt end restored my old settings
everything seemed to be ok. however when i wanted to texify one of my
projects
c:\Documents and Settings\Application Data\Gyorgy\Winedt\exec\miktex
what have i done wrong?
You restored ALL (or shall I say too many!) of your old
settings. The new Accessories Menu has been changed and the old
items will not work. MiKTeX and TeX Live now both use the same
macros in Exec\TeX folder (this means half the work for me
maintaining two sets of macros). Even if you would manually
copy this missing macro file you would not be getting the new
functionality with console and improved execution modes...
Options -> Maintenance -> Default and restore at least the new
Accessories Menu (toolbar, too, may have to be manually
modified if you want to use the old one and some other menus
have been slightly modified as well). Re-loading Options ->
Configurations -> MiKTeX might fix the problem as well unless
you have copied old files in the new applications data
folder... Note that you can always compare Backup settings with
the Default ones to see where is a problem.
Best regards,
alex
--
--------------------------------------------------------------
Dr. habil. Gyorgy SZEIDL
Full Professor
Department of Mechanics
University of Miskolc
3515 Miskolc-Egyetmeváros
Hungary
E-mail: ***@uni-miskolc.hu
Phone (office): +36 46 565 111 ext. 18-92
http://www.mech.uni-miskolc.hu/staff/lecturers/G_Szeidl.html
--------------------------------------------------------------
Evan Cooch
2008-05-11 12:57:12 UTC
Permalink
I see this sort of post a lot - not just for WinEdt, but software
generally - makes me wonder (i) if WinEdt 5.5 did/does what you need,
then why upgrade (I'm working on a couple of books, in a similar fashion
to what you describe, and stayed with 5.5), and (ii) why didn't you
simply install 5.6 into a separate directory, copy over whatever config
files you needed, and work with it there to see if it did what you needed?

I think 'upgrade' has become almost reflexive, to the point where people
stop thinking about whether or not the upgrade is actually needed
(applies to hardware also - the user who does little more then email and
web-browsing ditching old hardware that was perfectly functional for the
latest and greatest machine, which is completely unnecessary). If there
is a compelling new feature (for me, it would be code folding - here is
my vote x10000 for code folding in 5.7), or improved stability (how can
you tell with anything under Vista?), then perhaps a good reason to
upgrade. Otherwise...why not leave well enough alone?

Not meaning to pick on Gyorgy at all - merely the general cycle I see of
(i) upgrade out of no obvious necessity, (ii) post
complaints/queries/pleas for why the 'new and improved' version is not
doing what you want, when (iii) the older version probably was.

Just grist for the mill...
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
dear alex and list members,
winedt 5.6 has changed a lot. some of the changes are however
negative ones.
1. when editing a book (each chapter is in a separate file) i use the dvi
search icon (direct search or dvi search) to jump from the latex file
to the
place i am interested in in my dvi file. this icon is not available
anymore in
the main window. it is offered to you in the menu accessories with the name
dvi search. if i want to reach it i have to click twice. it is much
simpler to
do that it in the traditional way, that is by using the icon that is
available in
the main menu in winedt 5.5. the lack of this icon in the main menu is
a serious
drawback for me. (i have been working on a textbook for a year and
this feature
helps me when making corrections.)
2. i have no idea how to make a pdf file from a traditional TeX file. in
version 5.5 there are some icons to make a pdf file from a TeX file.
this issue seems to be is unresolved since these icons are missing not
only in the main menu but from the items of the menu accessories as
well. (i have a number of documents typeset in TeX.)
best regards
g. szeidl
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
dear alex,
thank you for your recommendations.
i did as i had been recommended. now everything works
fine. thank you once again.
best regards
gyorgy
Post by WinEdt Team
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
i have just installed winedt 5.6 beta 1. when installing it i
followed your instructions.
etc...
i restarted winedt end restored my old settings
everything seemed to be ok. however when i wanted to texify one of my
projects
c:\Documents and Settings\Application Data\Gyorgy\Winedt\exec\miktex
what have i done wrong?
You restored ALL (or shall I say too many!) of your old
settings. The new Accessories Menu has been changed and the old
items will not work. MiKTeX and TeX Live now both use the same
macros in Exec\TeX folder (this means half the work for me
maintaining two sets of macros). Even if you would manually
copy this missing macro file you would not be getting the new
functionality with console and improved execution modes...
Options -> Maintenance -> Default and restore at least the new
Accessories Menu (toolbar, too, may have to be manually
modified if you want to use the old one and some other menus
have been slightly modified as well). Re-loading Options ->
Configurations -> MiKTeX might fix the problem as well unless
you have copied old files in the new applications data
folder... Note that you can always compare Backup settings with
the Default ones to see where is a problem.
Best regards,
alex
Ken Lloyd
2008-05-11 15:28:22 UTC
Permalink
Being a software developer, I hold these conversations between users and the
developer close to my heart.

First, from Alex's point of view, he is trying his best to maintain a
successful application in light of changing technological contexts. I found
that maintenance functions are often anathema to original engineered intent
and evolved usage. After three major revisions or in about 5 - 7 years, it's
about time to re-engineer the whole thing from the ground floor - it's
developed too much entropy to maintain. I feel for Alex.

So Evan's right. If software is working for you, keep using it until the
pain of continuing is equal to the pain of switching (see Vista vs. WinXP).
There is a steep cost for being at the cutting edge all the time, as
witnessed by the "blood" spilled on these pages.

Of course, a certain percentage of the population are masochists ... Many of
them become software developers and writers of technical papers (or both).

Ken Lloyd
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [WinEdt] winedt 5.6 -- what i miss
I see this sort of post a lot - not just for WinEdt, but
software generally - makes me wonder (i) if WinEdt 5.5
did/does what you need, then why upgrade (I'm working on a
couple of books, in a similar fashion to what you describe,
and stayed with 5.5), and (ii) why didn't you simply install
5.6 into a separate directory, copy over whatever config
files you needed, and work with it there to see if it did
what you needed?
I think 'upgrade' has become almost reflexive, to the point
where people stop thinking about whether or not the upgrade
is actually needed (applies to hardware also - the user who
does little more then email and web-browsing ditching old
hardware that was perfectly functional for the latest and
greatest machine, which is completely unnecessary). If there
is a compelling new feature (for me, it would be code folding
- here is my vote x10000 for code folding in 5.7), or
improved stability (how can you tell with anything under
Vista?), then perhaps a good reason to upgrade.
Otherwise...why not leave well enough alone?
Not meaning to pick on Gyorgy at all - merely the general
cycle I see of
(i) upgrade out of no obvious necessity, (ii) post
complaints/queries/pleas for why the 'new and improved'
version is not doing what you want, when (iii) the older
version probably was.
Just grist for the mill...
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
dear alex and list members,
winedt 5.6 has changed a lot. some of the changes are
however negative
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
ones.
1. when editing a book (each chapter is in a separate file)
i use the
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
dvi search icon (direct search or dvi search) to jump from
the latex
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
file to the place i am interested in in my dvi file. this
icon is not
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
available anymore in the main window. it is offered to you
in the menu
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
accessories with the name dvi search. if i want to reach it
i have to
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
click twice. it is much simpler to do that it in the
traditional way,
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
that is by using the icon that is available in the main
menu in winedt
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
5.5. the lack of this icon in the main menu is a serious
drawback for
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
me. (i have been working on a textbook for a year and this feature
helps me when making corrections.)
2. i have no idea how to make a pdf file from a traditional
TeX file.
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
in version 5.5 there are some icons to make a pdf file from
a TeX file.
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
this issue seems to be is unresolved since these icons are
missing not
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
only in the main menu but from the items of the menu accessories as
well. (i have a number of documents typeset in TeX.)
best regards
g. szeidl
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
dear alex,
thank you for your recommendations.
i did as i had been recommended. now everything works
fine. thank you
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
once again.
best regards
gyorgy
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
i have just installed winedt 5.6 beta 1. when installing it i
followed your instructions.
etc...
i restarted winedt end restored my old settings
everything seemed to be ok. however when i wanted to
texify one of
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
c:\Documents and Settings\Application
Data\Gyorgy\Winedt\exec\miktex
what have i done wrong?
You restored ALL (or shall I say too many!) of your old settings.
The new Accessories Menu has been changed and the old
items will not
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
work. MiKTeX and TeX Live now both use the same macros in
Exec\TeX
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
folder (this means half the work for me maintaining two sets of
macros). Even if you would manually copy this missing
macro file you
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
would not be getting the new functionality with console
and improved
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
execution modes...
Options -> Maintenance -> Default and restore at least the new
Accessories Menu (toolbar, too, may have to be manually
modified if
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
you want to use the old one and some other menus have
been slightly
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
modified as well). Re-loading Options -> Configurations -> MiKTeX
might fix the problem as well unless you have copied old files in
the new applications data folder... Note that you can
always compare
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
Backup settings with the Default ones to see where is a problem.
Best regards,
alex
Hector C
2008-05-12 07:24:58 UTC
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Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
dear alex and list members,
(direct search or dvi search) ... this icon is not available
anymore in the main window.
Doesn't Ctrl+Shift+S work for you?
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
2. i have no idea how to make a pdf file from a traditional TeX file.
I don't think there is a default keyboard shortcut for PDF Tex, but you
can define your own: Options->Menu Setup->(this tab should be already
selected)Main Menu->(double click on)&Accessories->(navigate in the Menu
Items list down to)PDF Te&Xify->change the shortcut. If you don't want
to define your own shortcut, you can always navigate the menus with the
keyboard: "Alt+A, P, X" will do what you need.

Cheers,

Hector C
Gyorgy SZEIDL
2008-05-12 09:47:55 UTC
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dear list members,

thank thank you for your responds.

/I see this sort of post a lot - not just for WinEdt, but software
generally -
makes me wonder (i) if WinEdt 5.5 did/does what you need, then why upgrade
(I'm working on a couple of books, in a similar fashion to what you
describe, and
stayed with 5.5), and (ii) why didn't you simply install 5.6 into a
separate directory,
copy over whatever config files you needed, and work with it there to
see if it did
what you needed?

I think 'upgrade' has become almost reflexive, to the point where people
stop thinking
about whether or not the upgrade is actually needed (applies to hardware
also - the
user who does little more then email and web-browsing ditching old
hardware that was
perfectly functional for the latest and greatest machine, which is
completely unnecessary).
If there is a compelling new feature (for me, it would be code folding -
here is my vote
x10000 for code folding in 5.7), or improved stability (how can you tell
with anything under
Vista?), then perhaps a good reason to upgrade. Otherwise...why not
leave well enough
alone? /

your reasoning about the issue why one should upgrade seems to be right.
as regards winedt however
each upgrade provided a more user friendly environment and this is the
reason why i decided to upgrade
after winedt 5.6 beta 1 came out. (the good experiences have, of
course, influence on one's decision). in
addition without knowing what new features an upgrade has you can not
decide whether to upgrade
(or not). a description is simply not enough for me to make a decision.

/Being a software developer, I hold these conversations between users and the
developer close to my heart.

First, from Alex's point of view, he is trying his best to maintain a
successful application in light of changing technological contexts. I found
that maintenance functions are often anathema to original engineered intent
and evolved usage. After three major revisions or in about 5 - 7 years, it's
about time to re-engineer the whole thing from the ground floor - it's
developed too much entropy to maintain. I feel for Alex.

So Evan's right. If software is working for you, keep using it until the
pain of continuing is equal to the pain of switching (see Vista vs. WinXP).
There is a steep cost for being at the cutting edge all the time, as
witnessed by the "blood" spilled on these pages.

Of course, a certain percentage of the population are masochists ... Many of
them become software developers and writers of technical papers (or both).


/

i have developed a number of programs in fortran 90 and i dare say that
i know what developing a
en engineering program means.

i raised two issues.

the first one is really important. i work on two long projects and when
making corrections i can do that
faster if the direct search is available from the main menu. and this
conclusion is valid for anyone who is
writing a long document under latex.

as to the traditional TeX users their number seems to decrease since
LaTeX becomes more popular.
in spite if that it is a natural requirement that they can create a pdf
file from their documents.

/I don't think there is a default keyboard shortcut for PDF Tex, but you
can define your own: Options->Menu Setup->(this tab should be already
selected)Main Menu->(double click on)&Accessories->(navigate in the Menu
Items list down to)PDF Te&Xify->change the shortcut. If you don't want
to define your own shortcut, you can always navigate the menus with the
keyboard: "Alt+A, P, X" will do what you need.


/thank you. i shall give it a try.

the key combinations that are used as commands are really useful.
in spite of that i get used to my mouse.

thank you for your kind responds once again.

with best regards
g. szeidl
Post by Hector C
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
dear alex and list members,
(direct search or dvi search) ... this icon is not available anymore
in the main window.
Doesn't Ctrl+Shift+S work for you?
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
2. i have no idea how to make a pdf file from a traditional TeX file.
I don't think there is a default keyboard shortcut for PDF Tex, but
you can define your own: Options->Menu Setup->(this tab should be
already selected)Main Menu->(double click on)&Accessories->(navigate
in the Menu Items list down to)PDF Te&Xify->change the shortcut. If
you don't want to define your own shortcut, you can always navigate
the menus with the keyboard: "Alt+A, P, X" will do what you need.
Cheers,
Hector C
WinEdt Team
2008-05-12 20:26:58 UTC
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Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
i raised two issues.
Both are really "non-issues" and they can be easily addressed
on your side. They both translate to the following:

You want to put two buttons in the toolbar. This can be easily
done (as was the case in all versions of WinEdt).
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
the first one is really important. i work on two long projects
and when making corrections i can do that faster if the direct
search is available from the main menu. and this conclusion is
valid for anyone who is writing a long document under latex.
The menu item for forward search is already defined and it has
a button (and a shortcut) associated with it (check it in the
menu setup dialog).

Right-Click on the toolbar and chose Enter Toolbar Setup. Click
on this button (somewhere down the list) and then click on the
place in the toolbar where you want to move it (eg. after DVI
Preview). Help (Index -> Toolbar) explains the procedure in
detail... Problem 1. solved:-)
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
as to the traditional TeX users their number seems to decrease
since LaTeX becomes more popular. in spite if that it is a
natural requirement that they can create a pdf file from their
documents.
Accessories menu (under PDF submenu) contains all PDF
generators (including plain PDF TeX). Want it in the toolbar?
Repeat the procedure above with this button. Problem 2.
solved:-)

It should not take you more than a minute and now you know that
Menu and Toolbar are user-customizable...

Best regards,

alex
Gyorgy SZEIDL
2008-05-13 07:37:20 UTC
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dear alex,

thank you for very much for your kind reply which clearly shows that my
familiarity
with the possibilities offered by winedit is far from being sufficient
(though i have
added a number of commands to the insert and document menus). i am
convinced
however that the beginner as well as the average user do not bother to
much about
these features. instead they use winedt as it is.

thank you once again. (i shall follow your advice which has resolved my
problems)

with kind regards
g. szeidl
Post by WinEdt Team
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
i raised two issues.
Both are really "non-issues" and they can be easily addressed
You want to put two buttons in the toolbar. This can be easily
done (as was the case in all versions of WinEdt).
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
the first one is really important. i work on two long projects
and when making corrections i can do that faster if the direct
search is available from the main menu. and this conclusion is
valid for anyone who is writing a long document under latex.
The menu item for forward search is already defined and it has
a button (and a shortcut) associated with it (check it in the
menu setup dialog).
Right-Click on the toolbar and chose Enter Toolbar Setup. Click
on this button (somewhere down the list) and then click on the
place in the toolbar where you want to move it (eg. after DVI
Preview). Help (Index -> Toolbar) explains the procedure in
detail... Problem 1. solved:-)
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
as to the traditional TeX users their number seems to decrease
since LaTeX becomes more popular. in spite if that it is a
natural requirement that they can create a pdf file from their
documents.
Accessories menu (under PDF submenu) contains all PDF
generators (including plain PDF TeX). Want it in the toolbar?
Repeat the procedure above with this button. Problem 2.
solved:-)
It should not take you more than a minute and now you know that
Menu and Toolbar are user-customizable...
Best regards,
alex
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Stratis Kounias
2008-05-13 09:28:07 UTC
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Please delete my name from your list

Stratis Kounias
----- Original Message -----
From: "WinEdt Team" <***@winedt.com>
To: <winedt+***@wsg.net>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WinEdt] what i miss -- ii. thank you for your kind responds
Post by WinEdt Team
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
i raised two issues.
Both are really "non-issues" and they can be easily addressed
You want to put two buttons in the toolbar. This can be easily
done (as was the case in all versions of WinEdt).
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
the first one is really important. i work on two long projects
and when making corrections i can do that faster if the direct
search is available from the main menu. and this conclusion is
valid for anyone who is writing a long document under latex.
The menu item for forward search is already defined and it has
a button (and a shortcut) associated with it (check it in the
menu setup dialog).
Right-Click on the toolbar and chose Enter Toolbar Setup. Click
on this button (somewhere down the list) and then click on the
place in the toolbar where you want to move it (eg. after DVI
Preview). Help (Index -> Toolbar) explains the procedure in
detail... Problem 1. solved:-)
Post by Gyorgy SZEIDL
as to the traditional TeX users their number seems to decrease
since LaTeX becomes more popular. in spite if that it is a
natural requirement that they can create a pdf file from their
documents.
Accessories menu (under PDF submenu) contains all PDF
generators (including plain PDF TeX). Want it in the toolbar?
Repeat the procedure above with this button. Problem 2.
solved:-)
It should not take you more than a minute and now you know that
Menu and Toolbar are user-customizable...
Best regards,
alex
Ferdinand Fichtner
2008-05-13 13:51:52 UTC
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Hi Alex:

One more thing related to the console I noticed:

If you start a console-task with a shortcut (say, Shift-Ctrl-X for Texify)
and the console is not ready to execute the task due to another application
still being active in the console (e.g. a task waiting for user input), the
last key pressed as part of the shortcut (the 'X' in the Texify example)
ends up in the current document as a character. This happens after the
Information Dialog ("Another Application is already running in WinEdt's
console...") is dismissed with 'Ok'.

I think you should consider correcting this. Otherwise, strange orphaned
characters might show up in Winedt users' documents...

Best regards!

Ferdinand
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:28 PM
Subject: [WinEdt] ANN: WinEdt 5.6
Beta version of WinEdt 5.6 is now available for testing.
Read the instructions carefully and proceed accordingly. You
should also read the What's New section for description of
all the changes, bug fixes, etc...
This version may not be for everyone: Macros in Exec folder
have been rewritten and the Accessories Menu for MiKTeX and
TeX Live has been changed to call the new (common) macros
that can execute console applications in WinEdt's Console.
Restoring the old macros in Exec folder or the old
Accessories Menu will not (can not!) work properly with the
new Execution Modes...
Documentation is yet to be updated: reading the What's New
file is the only way to get familiar with the new functionality.
Have fun.
Best regards,
alex
WinEdt Team
2008-05-27 00:19:21 UTC
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Ferdinand,
Post by Ferdinand Fichtner
If you start a console-task with a shortcut (say, Shift-Ctrl-X
for Texify) and the console is not ready to execute the task
due to another application still being active in the console
(e.g. a task waiting for user input), the last key pressed as
part of the shortcut (the 'X' in the Texify example) ends up in
the current document as a character. This happens after the
Information Dialog ("Another Application is already running in
WinEdt's console...") is dismissed with 'Ok'.
I think you should consider correcting this. Otherwise, strange
orphaned characters might show up in Winedt users' documents...
yes, there were some message processing and focus switching
oddities with the way the console was implemented. This has now
been fixed by implementing custom code (event handlers and all)
that replaces RichEdit control currently used in the console.
The next version will provide a more "standard" and robust
console behavior.

Best regards,

alex
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